The new Mac Pro

Discussion in 'Computing' started by Makzimia, Dec 10, 2019.

  1. Makzimia

    Makzimia The Minstrel Well-Known Member

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    Ok,

    so who is splashing their hard earned cash for one or more of those gorgeous new over priced Mac Pro models. I’ll be getting one after I sort out moving into my bigger house, yes again.

    Personally I’m going to go standard other than 16 core CPU then do my own SSD and RAM upgrades third party. I mean to say, £360 for a 1tb SSD is taking the piss for starters!!.

    Tony
     
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  2. kmetal

    kmetal Kyle P. Gushue Well-Known Member

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    Hell no i won't! Lol.

    These macs do look good, it seems you can get a rackmount case for an extra $500.

    I was my model selection correct, $8,000 USD, for the 16 core model, with 32gb memory?

    I like the super high memory capacity that Xeon processors offer.

    I am curious about latency/single core performance however since that's been an area of weakness for Xeon, and the new i series intel, and ryzen 3000, are smoking fast single cores.

    Two things that make this machine dated already is no pcie 4.0 which is 2x the speed of 3.0, and fairly slow ram at 2933mhz. 3600mhz is current gen standard for ryzen, with 4200+ mhz supported. Current pcie 4.0 drives run at 5GB/s as opposed to 3.5GB/s for 3.0, but those are just the early models, and they can potentially hit 8GB/s once the nand chips they use catch up.

    I was curious about if it was nvme ssd's because apple didn't say it outright, but did quote the NVME data transfer rate. According to this article apple may be using a proprietary ssd connector. Might be worth verifying before you choose.

    https://appleinsider.com/articles/1...stom-connector-for-the-ssd-in-the-new-mac-pro

    Are you springing for the $5,000 monitor screen and the seperately packaged stand that cost 1k?

    I think if i was doing serious video id consider the new MP because it can handle 4 graphics cards!!!! That's pretty crazy.

    I personally can't justify the price tag since my 16 core, 2x 8 core slaves, 6 core test pc, 6 or 8 core graphics/mixdown pc, daily driver laptop, NAS drive, and 16 core ryzen 3000 daw, will come in at around 6,500$ usd. Thats over 64 cores combined, and includes 376gb of ram, with more room to expand on the test and graphics machines, and over 6TB of nvme storage, with pcie 4.0 on the daw.

    The only way to match that spec would be to stepp into ryzen epyic server chips that have up to 64 cores. Which is still 1/2 price of a MP 16 core. I think a master / slave configuration offers better low latency performance with massive track and vsti counts, since you can max out the slaves, and the master determines the latency via the daw buffer.

    I personally dont see the value in the MP right now. And even if cost was not a consideration id be pushing a 2x or 4x 64core motherboard and chips. 128 cores on a single machine!!! Lol. Samplitude can only handle 32 cores currently, not sure about other daws and vid editors.

    Anyway congratulations on your new home and mac pro! Looking forward to seeing how the new studio is, and how the computer works out!
     
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  3. Makzimia

    Makzimia The Minstrel Well-Known Member

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    @kmetal Umm ridiculous monitor and stand, no, hell no. Yes Kyle close in pounds too. I’m just tied to the Mac because I have dozens of projects over almost 2 decades in Logic Pro. And I’m sorry but having to deal with Windows drivers yuck. My current MBP just does not cut it for sure I think it cycles down when hot then suddenly stops.

    Trust me my head hurts at the cost, (wife buying it for my 60th), but it’s a familiarity thing. Unless someone want to volunteer to completely redo all those songs :). Tell me how I should trust an combi like the iMac instead... I did own one for 5 years, never an issue... but, I just... I hate the idea of the screen being the machine... arghhh..
     
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  4. kmetal

    kmetal Kyle P. Gushue Well-Known Member

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    Ive also never liked the screen being attached to the imac. I think the new mbp's have 8 core processors which is killer for a mobile machine. Still not a fan of the attached screen.

    I was considering a mac mini for my old Digital performer sessions, and for uploading and downloading stuff more worry free. Im going to see if they open up in the new dp now that its Windows compatible, before i go that route.

    I like the macOS, and id be running a hackintosh in my machines im building, if samplitude was mac compatible.

    I was wondering if its possible to just use a pcie nvme adapter in the MP to avoid using thier proprietary ssd connector, which could save some cash.

    A 16 core machine should serve you well for quite some time, especially since you run UAD stuff. Considering it could last 8-10 years it makes the cost less cringy.

    Its exciting to think about how powerful the new gen stuff is on all sides, and how much better code is getting both sonically and as far as resource usage.

    Anyway man can't wait to hear how things go, happy 60th!!
     

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