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Dynamic use of a compressor

Discussion in 'Compressors / Limiters (analog)' started by pcrecord, Sep 2, 2015.

  1. audiokid

    audiokid Chris Staff

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    I think we are discussing two very different objectives.
    Am I correct, that you were discussing using one compression plugin to do multiple tasks on a stereo lane via automation?

    OBE is like splitting a track away from a lane without actually needing to do it ;)
    Because you don't have OBE, your alternative is what I suggest. But I only suggest it as a test because it of course is going to be more time consuming to what you are familiar with in your process.
    Being said... I am still unsure your multitasking dynamic compression will produce the best results though. It would be interesting to compare a few ways to do this, regardless of the time it takes at this point. With practice and familiarity, things that take time in a beginning, might not take as long later. But, its the outcome we should be interested in at this point? :love:

    NOTE: I would only suggest splitting parts of a master track into workable lanes if I was compressing different sections with different thresholds and ratios. I would never ask one plug-in to do this via automation. Why would you do this to save time? It seems really cumbersome and possible problematic. But again, maybe the task is a lot less of an issue so a simple step as you are doing, gets it done.

    I would also be more inclined to do split sections into lanes and groups if I wanted to study the cause and effect in greater detail.

    Basically, I'm looking at this process from 2-bus summing, stem mastering and how I prefer to glue clients tracks needing more love.

    I would of course, always try to go into a mix or stem first, to get more into the detail before it was a final 2-bus.

    If all I was doing was adjusting volumes, the timeline automation as you are doing would be perfectly adequate for me as well (with as little edit points as possible).

    However, If I was looking at a dynamic compression technique, I doubt I would do it like you are doing but if its working for you, and its fast, then its perfect for you and there is no debate.
     
  2. pcrecord

    pcrecord Quality recording seeker ! Distinguished Member

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    Sorry I should have wrote ' a lot of different levels ' which implies more than 2 comp adjustments. So in your plan it would be a lot of splitting tracks..
     
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  3. audiokid

    audiokid Chris Staff

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    gotcha :)

    anytime you feel like bouncing methods or files off of each other, I'm happy to participate. I'm addicted to all this insanity lol.
     
  4. DonnyThompson

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    That's what he wants to do, no?

    His original post mentioned automating a compressor so that the settings would be different for different sections...
     
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  5. pcrecord

    pcrecord Quality recording seeker ! Distinguished Member

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    You're right Donny, that's exactly what I'm talking about, for mixing and/or mastering. Chris and I are exchanging on the possibility that spliting the tracks in many parts and sending those parts to different buses on which compressors have different settings may sound better than automation.
    I'm kind of discourraged by doing this in a mix situation if you have more that 2 adjustments but for mastering it could be viable.

    This whole idea is about setting a compressor that gives an average of 2 or 3db of Gain reduction to each part of a song instead of having no GR on quiter parts of the song.
     
  6. DonnyThompson

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    You guys would be more knowledgeable than I regarding the potential negative issues involved in automation - don't get me wrong, I've automated more than just a few mixes in the past, but I can't say for sure - one way or another - whether or not the automation ended up creating artifacts within those mixes... I guess it's possible, and makes sense that - at least in theory - the more calculations you force the program to make in a given space and time could result in artifacts or sonic skewing of some kind.

    I do remember hearing some of my PT buddies complain that from time to time they could hear "zippering" on automated volume adjustments, but that was years ago, and in older versions. I would assume that this has since been addressed and fixed; also, I don't know how much the computer itself plays into that scenario, as far as CPU power, RAM, and DAW settings (buffer, latency, etc.).

    I don't really use automation in my mixes all that much anymore; since moving over to Samp, I tend to work more and mostly with Object Editing than I do with actual automation.
     
  7. pcrecord

    pcrecord Quality recording seeker ! Distinguished Member

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    There it is ; On automation and one splitbuses version. To me they sound the same...
    I did reproduce the same threasold adjustments on the buses and the automation and I lowered the clean levels to be added to the buses by lowering the lanes faders and doing pre fader sends to the buses..
    Also I had to fix some artifacts created by the cuts.. something not needed with automation...







     

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  8. audiokid

    audiokid Chris Staff

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    The cuts should be seemless but it's good to know.
    In sonar, this appears to be quicker and close enough that who would even care, right!
    In samplitude, there are so many ways to blend section and edit, the automation method would be an option but not my first choice.

    Back to the OP.
    For giggles... I would still strap a master comp and reverb (last and very subtle) to glue it all my way but thanks for taking the time to confirm. I bet you feel better regardless of the extra time it took to confirm this all.

    In regards to why you were even doing this.... Re 2-bus gluing - I'd love to try duplicating what you did, as a PBL experiment sometime. Maybe I'm doing a whole lot extra for little return too. ;)

    Cheers.
     
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  9. pcrecord

    pcrecord Quality recording seeker ! Distinguished Member

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    I'm all good sport about testing things.. There is not better way to learn and confirm we're doing it right.
    This is one more trick I'll put in my bag for sure ! :)
     
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  10. DonnyThompson

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    Okay... so maybe it's just an aural hallucination, but at :27 into the song, the second file seems... well, "ballsier" to me than the first file...? But, it could also be that I'm two quarts shy on my regular coffee intake yet this morning. ;)

    Both sound great to me Mon Ami. I'm certainly not hearing anything wizzly.
     
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    pcrecord Quality recording seeker ! Distinguished Member

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    BTW, those weren't mastering attempts. Just a bit of comp on a completed mix.
    I'm gonna try to master this song this week and use that technic
     
  12. DonnyThompson

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    so, was I hallucinating at that section at :27?
     
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    pcrecord Quality recording seeker ! Distinguished Member

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    I don't know Donny, I should listen to it again in the studio tonight ;).. here on cheap headphones, it sounds the same.
     
  14. Chris Perra

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    To me the second one is a little clearer and louder, They both sound great though and don't have any weird noticeable plug ins artifacts ect.
     
  15. audiokid

    audiokid Chris Staff

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    I'm away from my rig until tomorrow. I haven't listened to either of your clips, Marco, but to read there are in fact differences the other guys are hearing here, its getting more exciting!

    a "Clearer" difference. ... now that is ramping this up now. Gawd I love this our forum ;) Don't share which version is which yet.
     
  16. pcrecord

    pcrecord Quality recording seeker ! Distinguished Member

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    I'm gonna plan for a revision of all the settings. and re-export them.. ;)
     
  17. audiokid

    audiokid Chris Staff

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    Hey Marco, can you explain what you mean a bit more?
     
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    audiokid Chris Staff

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    Nice work. I love this . The second track is better sounding. Why?
    Who is singing? sounds like
    freightgod
     
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  19. pcrecord

    pcrecord Quality recording seeker ! Distinguished Member

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    I'm gonna revise the rooting, I think the uncompress signal is added to the compressed one in the splited bus senario..
    Yes it was the song we all did together. Freightgod on the vocals.. ;)
     

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