Stomper !!!!

Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 11:25 am

I spent a few hours recording and this is what came out. Another simple little jam. I was experimented with delay and verb and it was born. Its called "Stomper", a work in progress. Needs some more lovin. Crank it up. The drum and bass groove pounds (I guess thats why I called it Stomper). But it does need some changes. Maybe some synth and more lead guitar work in the middle. Link below
http://www.soundclick.com/util/getplayer.m3u?id=6821881&q=hi

Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 11:37 am

Some really phat sounds dude.
I have some questions about how you track things. Is it you playing all the parts one after the other or are playing with a drummer?

Do you record the drums first then the rhythm parts then lead? What order?

I'm keen to know because the music is missing the cohesion that makes really stomping phat tunes.

I dig the sound though. Rock on. Smile

Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 11:59 am

Here is what I do. Its all me. I load up a drum loop and set the beats per minute I want. I then play the loop and just start jamming to it. I find some groove I like and build up the guitar and bass tracks. Once I get those down I put on headphones, sit down on the drums and overdub the drums. I then get rid of the loop track. I tried click tracks, but found then to be like Chineese water torture. My DAW came with a basic drum loops and that works better. May be my timing on the drums. Im not very good on them. Is it a timing issue you think ? Maybe Im getting some latency issues on the drums. Or is it just the cohesion of tracking a live band ? Help me out. Its probably just my slow timing on the drums Smile

Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 12:24 pm

Yeah, I think it's because you're not playing with yourself at the same time. Not possible aye. Sad

For me as a drummer, what sets the rhythm is how I'm communicating with the bass player. If he's thrashing his head I'm doing my job right. And at the same time, his head acts like my metronome. I know when he's going to hit the note.

I've tried to cut drums to recorded guitars before and I find it hard to really get into the pocket of some random guitarist's idea of time. So I use the guitar track as like a scratch and bust out something then send it back for guitars to play over. Makes it much tighter sounding.

Maybe changing the order could work for you. Record the guitar "ideas" then sit down with them and the drum loops as your click, cut your drum parts. When you have drums you know are phat, listen to them when you record the guitars, so you can focus on hitting that pocket you make with the drums.

Also, seeing as you are a string-man and not a stick jockey, maybe quantising the drums to really _make_ you play in time would help. I know that seems like a gut punch, and it would be if someone said it to me, but I'm not really getting into the feel of your drumming so quantising wouldn't detract that from the performance. Meh... I feel like I'm discussing religion or politics... I'm just throwing ideas out there. Razz

Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 2:24 pm

I still have not figured out how to do that with a non midi track (quantising). Can you do it with a non midi track ? From the manual I get the impression I cant. I need to ask at the KRV forum. There is a sub forum on my DAW

Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 8:32 pm

Cant so Quantising on non midi tracks. Just time adjust movements by split and movements of the part in question.

Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 11:21 pm

I am unsure what I'm talking about, but when people talk of "snapping the drums to a grid" or as Americans spell it "Quantizing". I'm not sure but they could be talking about the pro tools use.

Either way, try nailing teh phat drums then cutting the guitars whilst listening to only them.
I'm keen to see if that will tighten it up a bit. It's definitely worth getting the drums tighter because the guitars are so phat and rockin'. Razz

Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 8:32 am

Another great track there Bush. Being a one man band is wicked hard with respect to cohesion. You're getting better though...I can hear it.

BTW, what kit are you using to trigger your drums? Also, are you just using your native DAW plugins or something else like BFD?

You need a solo with a screaming wah on here bro.

Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:06 am

"BTW, what kit are you using to trigger your drums?"

Did you just ask if his drums are midi? Razz

Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 11:11 am

For some reason I thought I had read (here or before) that he was using a Vdrum to trigger a VST plugin.

Sorry if that isn't the case...I picked a bad week to stop sniffing glue.

Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 12:41 pm

Greener wrote:

"BTW, what kit are you using to trigger your drums?"

Did you just ask if his drums are midi? Razz

I give up.

Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 12:48 pm

I get what you guys are saying. Do A scratch guitar track, get the drums down then come back and redo the guitar and feed of the dynamics of the drums. I know alot of bands record the drums first anyway (to a rough guitar or bass track). I'll try that approach on the next tune I do. And I have the options of "snap to grid" and "quantising" within my DAW (Tracktion 3), but it only midi tracks.

Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 12:58 pm

OK just read over at SOS there is a plugin called "beat detective" which will quantise non midi drums. But its ProTools only. But they mention Melodyne will do it too. If thats the case then buying melodyne would help the drums and the vocals. Kill two birds with one stone. Anyone hear of this.

Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 10:35 pm

I found this thread over with the hussies. Here.

Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 10:30 am

Thanks

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